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The crowd was so large everyone wouldn't fit in the chapel. Barack and Bernie took some time to address the overflow crowd before they went inside.

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Screw Obama! Pray ... ( 3 weeks ago by themaclady)

Screw Obama! Pray he falls off a cliff to save the nation!

Did he say, "... ... ( 3 weeks ago by WillJStudio)

Did he say, "...principalities and powers?" Sounds like Christian-speak to me. He must be one of those Bible-thumpers. But seriously, how are the interests of 300 million people represented by 435 congresspersons and 100 senators? It's the most colossal mass-hypnosis and willing suspension of disbelief in history. It's worse than religion...oh wait, it is religion. Save me, Mr. Messiah, you're my only hope.

I agree with most ... ( 3 weeks ago by AtomicCombustion)

I agree with most of what you typed. I don't agree with a partial socialized system. A Free Market is self-regulating. If someone has bad service, the competition is there to scoop up that business, thus the incentive is to provide great customer services. Government has regulated so much that this scenario has become harder and harder to come by, because lobbyists push legislation to give businesses special advantages over new businesses. That kind of regulation is bad bad bad. Good day to you!

"A Free Market is ... ( 3 weeks ago by jkerouac02)

"A Free Market is self-regulating." The current economic crisis provides ample evidence that this is not the case- at least not in all markets. Even Greenspan acknowledged he was wrong about that in his recent congressional testimony. Of course excessive, restrictive regulation can also lead to negative outcomes. I feel we need to consider each situation (that is, each market or submarket) separately rather than accept an ideology that applies to all cases.

Greenspan is a ... ( 3 weeks ago by AtomicCombustion)

Greenspan is a traitor, he thinks Obama is going to win, so he's snuggling. Community Reinvestment Act, CRA. I'll say it again, Community Reinvestment Act. Government regulation caused this problem. The democrats involved should be in jail. This is not a free market. Certain principle are utilized when needed but we haven't been walking the walk for a long time now. The ideas are sound and it's being muddled with the only thing proven to work poorly, wealth redistribution. Believe what you want.

While I think the ... ( 3 weeks ago by jkerouac02)

While I think the CRA had absolutely nothing to do with the crisis, there were some Democrats who deserve blame for separate reasons...although I think most of them were just wrong, not criminal in their actions. Barney Frank could be an exception. Even if you believe the CRA had something to do with it, won't you also admit that deregulation (eg Gramm-Leach-Bliley) was a major cause, as were the actions of Alan Greenspan? Did you know that last week the EU said those were the causes?

Franklin Raines ... ( 3 weeks ago by AtomicCombustion)

Franklin Raines would be in prison if his name had been Ken Lay. Deregulation of government imposed impossibilities is a good thing, deregulation of common sense criminal enforcement is a bad thing. The EU does not have America's best interest at heart, did you not know they formed the union to better compete with America? You need to spell out how Greenspan's action caused this. Forcing banks to issue sub prime loans = artificially inflating housing prices = bubble = people no pay = crash.

"We can't expect ... ( 3 weeks ago by PainesRight)

"We can't expect the American People to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism."
Nikita Khrushchev - First Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union 1958 - 1964

Of course ... ( 3 weeks ago by jkerouac02)

Of course regulation isn't always a good thing. Degree of intervention should be determined by the particular market in question, rather than following some economic ideology that is supposed to apply equally to all situations. I would say that benefits of having the EU far outweigh the downsides. We have a great diplomatic relationship with the EU, have greatly benefited from trade with the EU, the EU has decreased Russian influence in Central
Eastern Europe
market-cratized these nations.

Greenspan played a ... ( 3 weeks ago by jkerouac02)

Greenspan played a huge role, along with deregulation
the general boom/bust cyclical nature of unrestricted free markets. Greenspan has now admitted that he made mistakes. His culpability is 2-fold (actually there are other reasons, but here's the 2 main ones): -He slashed key rates over and over
kept interest rates low for too long. People got financing out of their means. -He did not regulate subprime mortgages or banking despite obvious problems. His ideology is wrong.

GREENSPAN newsweek ... ( 3 weeks ago by jkerouac02)

GREENSPAN newsweek . com/id/159346 reuters . com/article/rbssFinancialServicesAndRealEstateNews/idUSLL2790120081021 nytimes . com/2008/10/24/business/economy/24panel . html?_r=2
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PainesRight- The ... ( 3 weeks ago by jkerouac02)

PainesRight- The term "socialism" has been used to describe very different things over the years. When people talk about modern socialism or democratic socialism, its very different from socialism in the Marxist-Leninist context. Democratic socialism must be distinguished from the older socialism in that it does *not* call the end of capitalism. Socialist measures can be implemented democratically, in order to prevent some aspects of inequality and suffering due to the inherent nature of

...capitalism. So ... ( 3 weeks ago by jkerouac02)

...capitalism. So Bernie Sanders' type of socialism, democratic socialism, is probably different from what you think. He would probably tell us to look at socialist Sweden or Norway, where *all* citizens get free healthcare, paid vacation, college education, daycare,
many other benefits. Taxation is of course higher than in the US. This video, while biased, might make you think about what democratic socialism is: watch?v=k4L6-0WRfSA

Also, I should ... ( 3 weeks ago by jkerouac02)

Also, I should point out that Obama isn't a socialist at all. He's definitely not a communist or evil socialist a la the USSR. He's not even very close to being a democratic socialist or social democrat. If letting Bush's tax cuts for the rich expire (even McCain originally said the cuts were immoral), or giving moderate tax cuts to the middle class is socialist, then I think you're nuts. Obama doesn't even support universal healthcare. Also, see: watch?v=bt40s7IKPwE *start watching @ 1:40*

I wonder if they're ... ( 2 weeks ago by fuzzyabomb)

I wonder if they're still working on that. It seems so.

The Obama Tax Plan, ... ( 2 weeks ago by LaxMan2112)

The Obama Tax Plan, which is unrealistic in fact, is a form of socialism. Because 39% of the country does not pay a federal income tax, and tax cut for 95% of Americans would hand over rebate checkts to people who have not earned them. This is mass welfare AT THE EXPENSE of the upper class. I have studied government for many years at Wesleyan Univ, and this is in fact a form of socialism.

OK, let's assume ... ( 2 weeks ago by jkerouac02)

OK, let's assume for a moment that ending the Bush tax cuts for the rich and giving those below 250 a tax cut is socialism. You could also say Palin's distribution of AK oil profits are socialism, or McCain's support for the bailout
bank nationalization is socialism. Let's just assume that's all true for a moment. Does the word "socialism" automatically mean such policies are bad? If so, explain why.

Furthermore, still ... ( 2 weeks ago by jkerouac02)

Furthermore, still assuming those things are socialist, doesn't the degree of socialism matter? There is no possible way you can objectively claim Obama's plans are as highly "socialist" as the socialism (or, rather, social democracy) seen in much of Europe. And certainly you can't say Obama's policies are anything like the policies of the USSR or Cuba. By your definition of socialism, many of the most highly ranked Presidents, including Lincoln, FDR, JFK,
Ronald Reagan, were all socialists.

The Democrats ... ( 2 weeks ago by AtomicCombustion)

The Democrats refused to regulate Sub Prime mortgages. Greenspan was not behind the CRA. THe CRA FORCED banks to issue sub prime loans to unqualified people. I'll say it again, CRA. The ideology regarding that is inconsequential because Greenspan is not king. People made the decisions to buy, not Greenspan. CRA CRA and CRA. Seriously though look it up. Legislation and Regulation caused this problem. Free Markets are Self-Regulating. The regulation that's good is the kind that regulates crime.

I think the upper ... ( 2 weeks ago by curmosc)

I think the upper class will live. Hes just bringing in certain aspects of socialism to a sytem that is struggling.

you are silly ... ( 2 weeks ago by urbanlegend420)

you are silly socialism is socialism how ironic is that you criticize wall street greed, but vote to obtain easy money from the rich. I do not make over 250k a year but i don't want your money. kiss my ass bill gates,i want to make my own money

Its not really ... ( 2 weeks ago by jkerouac02)

Its not really increasing the taxes on the rich as much as its just ending the tax cuts they got under Bush that were extremely expensive (part of the reason the debt is so high),
even McCain said were bad before he started running. The tax code would be how it was during the Clinton years (there was a lot of economic growth then). Even Nixon had a similar, "progressive" tax code. Obama isn't instituting anything radically different or something we haven't done many time in our history.

Sarah Palin: "Obama ... ( 2 weeks ago by jkerouac02)

Sarah Palin: "Obama would experiment in socialism" politifact . com/truth-o-meter/statements/826/ McCain admitted a few days ago that he didn't actually think Obama was socialist. On a basic level, Obama's plan is not socialist because it doesn't expand the welfare state. Please read Obama's plans for yourself, this election is too important not to! As someone who is sympathetic to "social democracy" as seen in Europe (which we call socialism), I can tell you Obama really isn't a socialist.

I don't believe I ... ( 1 week ago by jkerouac02)

I don't believe I said anything about the EU in relation to social democracy...The EU discussion was just a side discussion unrelated to social democracy. When I was talking about SD in Europe, I meant Norway, Sweden, etc. Although many member states of the EU certainly have social democratic systems or at least parties.

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