Freeman Dyson on Global Warming 2of2 Stratospheric Cooling



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A prominent scientist who's followed the science of global warming from the beginning, Dyson explains why climate models have no scientific merit, why average global ground temperature is a great fiction, and what he believes the real dangers of increased CO2 in the atmosphere are. He suggests that the relatively simple solution of land use management could potentially give us the ability to control the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere at any level we'd like, and there's no need to stop burning coal and oil.
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They are not ... ( 4 months ago by danger0usknowledge)
They are not uncorrelated. Wouldn't that be convenient for you. Besides, as I said originally the proof is not in computer models because the weather scientists who use them don't use them as proof. They use the raw data and that overwhelmingly proves CC. What you are using is called Lawyer Science whether you are one or not.
The ocean current ... ( 4 months ago by danger0usknowledge)
The ocean current driven new ice age is not taken seriously by weather scientists and ocean currents cannot offset warming due to shifting currents. Broecker has been misinterpreted by the popular media. No new ice age is a-coming. Anyone following this should check out the governments and Bush's own EPA website which states unequivocally that climate change is principally man made. One would think that a Bush EPA appointee wouldn't let that happen.
Array ( 4 months ago by codehead1)
>They use the raw data and that overwhelmingly proves CC. You got that right. The climate changes, and the data shows it does. But there is *no* evidence it's outside of norms, and *no* evidence that it's from co2. AGW is all about observing a small trend over a specific period, attributing it to man, and extrapolating that it will keep going. All this despite temperature having a poor correlation to co2 levels over time. And that "proves" it?
Array ( 4 months ago by codehead1)
>check out the governments and Bush's own EPA website >which states unequivocally that climate change is principally >man made. The world issue is entirely political--the IPCC is a UN-founded 130+ member-nation political bureaucracy. For the masses, it's driven by Al Gore, a politician. The current admin just listed the polar bear as "threatened", despite being at multi-decade highs in population. Why not stick to science--is it real for you because the government says so?
"Scientifically ... ( 4 months ago by danger0usknowledge)
"Scientifically unsound" my ass. This is where you regress to a ideological waste of time. Where do you get your points from Steve Milloy or is it that guy Manzi. I know Junk Science Milloy used to be a lobbyist for Big Tobacco and he made the small leap to Big Oil.
Array ( 4 months ago by codehead1)
>Where do you get your points Ah, from a man who's mantra is "big oil, big tobacco". I'd be happy to debate you on actual science. Two years ago I believed, too. I only looked into the science in depth because I wanted an idea of how truly bad of a disaster I should expect, since everyone had a different opinion. Within a few months, I realized it seemed overblown. A few more months and I realized that it wasn't accidental--it's deception with a purpose. AGW is the emperor's new clothes.
I also listen to ... ( 4 months ago by danger0usknowledge)
I also listen to non-scientists who have to get the science right because their bottom lines depends on it. RUPERT MURDOCH, Warren Buffet, Boone Pickens, Lee Scott(Walmart), Arnold Schwarzenegger. Big oil uses the same tactics and the same PR people, and the same scientists that big tobacco USED to use. Dyson is not a liar for hire.
The only problem is ... ( 4 months ago by danger0usknowledge)
The only problem is that Freeman Dyson doesn't have a PhD. The reason he doesn't have a PhD is because he never needed one. Dyson did not take the 10,000. Dyson is a great physicist and I wish his old pal that fine man Feynman were alive so we could hear them chat on CC. What side would Feynman take?
I'm realistic. Few ... ( 4 months ago by taofledermaus)
I'm realistic. Few humans will change their habits to make a change in C02 emissions. More humans will be born who need to be fed, warmed, employed, transported, housed, etc. The world population will keep growing. Rather than try to obsess on how to reverse "GW", we'll need to learn how to deal with its effects, such as any climatic or weather problem we must face. Life goes on.
CO2 supports life ... ( 3 months ago by JonThm)
CO2 supports life on Earth. It's level follows plant growth cycles.
with a lil smile at ... ( 3 months ago by dizzayB)
with a lil smile at the end ;+D
Dyson is exactly ... ( 3 months ago by danno321s)
Dyson is exactly right. There is no way to measure average ground temp, and it varies so much from point to point. We need to understand the biomass relation to the whole atmosphere. Not only is it a land management issue, but with nanotech it will be very easy to manage! We are destined to be the master of our destiny.
We are in warming ... ( 3 months ago by danno321s)
We are in warming period that has slices of cooling like in the 1970's. Another slice of cooling will happen but the general trend will be warming whether humans are here or not.
thankyou for the ... ( 3 months ago by earthquai)
thankyou for the information
How to make the ... ( 3 months ago by danger0usknowledge)
How to make the country ungovernable? You pass on all the regulatory enforcement to the next administration which will probably be Obama. This is why republicans have been raiding the treasury, spending every dollar it could because it already knew about climate change and peak oil & that the jig is up. Take the money, spread the corruption-such great patriots- all because the expense of court ordered CC regulation would make Bush look bad. Obama is stepping right into the trap.
"Extra plant ... ( 2 months ago by SauceMystery)
"Extra plant transpiration-cooling negates all extra co2 heating (i.e. 3.8 W/m2 - 3.8 W/m2 = 0)." --Piers Corbyn, solar physisist, ARCS, FRAS, FRMetS, WeatherAction, the Long Range Forecasters, developer, SWT (Solar Weather Technique), Award of AMEME Hopley Shield 2008
Mr. Dyson, do you ... ( 1 month ago by RchHlm)
Mr. Dyson, do you feel that the birds and butterflies are going to feel the physical effect of global warming before we do the human race, and will global warming change there anatomy or cause them not to be able to fly?
I doubt humans will ... ( 2 weeks ago by Gorzakk)
I doubt humans will ever be masters of their own destiny. A simple hurricane proves how impotent humanity is in the face of natural events.
All you need for ... ( 2 weeks ago by Lihinel)
All you need for this are sufficient prediction models(you could even use pattern recognising evolutionary algorithms, to let the system itself lern and get rid of the need of finding a theory yourself), a global weather obervation system (not a problem) and a method to change air temprature in a fast and controlled way within a specific area(which doesn't sound like an unsolvable problem).
Disease then. ... ( 2 weeks ago by Gorzakk)
Disease then. Famine, flooding, earthquakes, volcanoes. The hubris of humanity in attempting to control every aspect of the natural world will be its undoing. We are "of" the world. Not "in charge of" it.
Those are all ... ( 2 weeks ago by Lihinel)
Those are all separated issues that can be researched and broken up into basic problems of information gathering, analyse and action. Famine - combines with weather control, better crops and ways to analyse the ground and supply water and nutrients, as well as storing large amounts of conserved food at various storage places all over the earth. Flooding - weather control. No problem if you can freeze or evaporate large amounts of water and predict/control rain patterns.
Earthquakes - ... ( 2 weeks ago by Lihinel)
Earthquakes - predicting the tension of plates, maybe lower them technically, or just evacuate the area/build houses that withstand them. Volcanoes - a bit like earthquakes, lower the pressure within the volcano, before it is enough to burst itself out. Got more? Bring it on.
Oh gosh, forgot one ... ( 2 weeks ago by Lihinel)
Oh gosh, forgot one: Disease - any guess where this is going? Yeah right: find it, analyse its DNA and working mechanisms and come up with a cure. Not that hard, just a matter of better technology
"Hansen I've known ... ( 19 hours ago by icecreamdose)
"Hansen I've known for many years. He's a very good climate scientist, but he's decided to do the politics. I feel that he's doing some cherry-picking of his own. At that point, he's not really being a scientist. At that point, you're being a lawyer. He's being an effective advocate for his side, but in the process of doing that he's no longer a neutral party and he's no longer giving both sides of the issues." -Prof. Richard A. Muller UC Berkeley global warming believer Grist interview 10/6/08



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