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John Edwards on Hardball December 12, 2006 at UNC Chapel Hill.


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jbrentoniv, who ... ( 2 months ago by BRYAN351)
jbrentoniv, who cares how they can work so cheaply? The point is that they WILL work that cheaply, and to a business looking to buy someone's labor, that's all that matters.
One of the reasons for our declining living standard is the ever-increasing TAX BURDEN that we're saddled with. The government is irresponsible, spends our money like drunken sailors, causes massive debt and all sorts of problems, then wants more of our money to create new agencies to fix the pro
blems that they created.
Why are they long ... ( 2 months ago by jbrentoniv)
Why are they long gone? "Pricing yourself out of a market," I think the more accurate way to say that is that they are being undercut and sold out. Do you think that this is not going to affect you? I can be the fair intellectual and say its just the price of capitalism...but we are talking about dissolving the middle class. Im not a communist, but there is something wrong with that. America does have to evolve, but I think what youre supporting is regression and economic slavery.
Hey, I never said ... ( 2 months ago by jbrentoniv)
Hey, I never said that I didnt get it. I do, if I had a business I would do the same thing. My point is that its gone too far. The Unions are not the remedy for this problem. We know that a Union cant help you if the plant closes shop. Maybe Im getting at something a little more extreme than Unionism, and it has to do with restructuring and repositioning ourselves in the global market, and a heavy dose of Nationalism. I have kids, I dont want to see their future sold for profits.
jbrentoniv, they ... ( 2 months ago by BRYAN351)
jbrentoniv, they are long gone because foreign workers are willing to do those jobs for pennies on the dollar, that's why. Hellooo.
Why does the middle class have to only consist of unionized factory workers? I'm middle class, but I went to college and now run my own vending business. My dad is middle class and he's an Architect, my brother is middle class and works at a car auction. It's time for people to stop counting on
the union gravy train and make their own opportunies instead.
If you get it then ... ( 2 months ago by BRYAN351)
If you get it then what are you arguing about? Gone too far? Unions are the CAUSE of this problem. If they didn't suck the companies dry for decade after decade, demanding more and more pay and benefits for less and less work, and produce lazy disgruntled workers with lousy work ethics, then American companies might not have been so eager to close up shop and move their factories overseas. But they did, and I don't blame them one bit.
When I asked why ... ( 2 months ago by jbrentoniv)
When I asked why they were long gone, I answered the question. I wasnt really asking, thank you. You just showed your ass by saying "union gravy train," "lousy work ethics" etc. You really know very little about this subject.
I think we have a ... ( 2 months ago by jbrentoniv)
I think we have a pretty big disconnect here. You arent listening. The middle class does not primarily consist of Unionized workers. That wasnt my point, and I never said that. The fact is that there are unsympathetic people like yourself who are watching the sky fall all around them, but think somehow they will be safe on their island of self employment. Im starting to think your just a very naive person. Im wasting your time and mine.
jbrentoniv, nobody ... ( 2 months ago by BRYAN351)
jbrentoniv, nobody is safe in this world. There are no guarantees in life, not from unions, from governments, or from self employment. The sky is falling for many reasons, but mostly because of our out of control government who has put us trillions of dollars in debt.
What exactly is your point? So far you haven't made any. All you've done is hint that we need to outlaw companies from outsourcing. If we do that, we no longer have a free market system.
jbrentoniv, I've ... ( 2 months ago by BRYAN351)
jbrentoniv, I've never been a member of a union, but I've known many who have. My best friend worked at Rouge Steel in Dearborn, MI for 13 years, and I heard all kinds of stories from him. People sleeping on the job for 3 hours, having their buddy punch them in on time them coming to work 2 hours late, then leave early and do the same thing, lazy unproductive workers who should be fired being protected by the union. I've heard it all.
jbrentoniv, my ... ( 2 months ago by BRYAN351)
jbrentoniv, my stupid lazy slob of an uncle worked for General Motors for 35 years. One time he supposedly hurt his knee, so he got to take the entire summer off work at 92% pay, then he golfed and climbed in and out of boats all summer. Yeah, his knee must have been devastated.
My uncle was paid a lot of money for being nothing more than a stupid high-school graduate with a lousy work ethic. So yes, there was a union gravy train in America for decades, but the train has crashed. Boo hoo.
I've made quite a ... ( 2 months ago by jbrentoniv)
I've made quite a few points. My ultimate point is that there are so many reasons why the working man is in danger, yet the media is telling the people that the schools are underfunded and your kids cant get a good education because of the teachers Union. You yourself use the buzz words "Union Gravy Train" which is very common. Its sounds to me like youve never been in a Union, and you have a friend who had a bad experiance...that hardly makes you an authority.
The govt. has a ... ( 2 months ago by BRYAN351)
The govt. has a poor track record in doing anything well. The free market can nearly always do things more efficiently. You want to see the education system improve in America? PRIVATIZE IT.
Also, how is it fair and just that a single man with no kids (like myself) is forced to pay the same property taxes as my next door neighbor who has 5 fucking kids in the school system?! Don't give me the tired BS argument for socialism, how is improves society, helps me in the long run, blah bla
h.
No, I've never been ... ( 2 months ago by BRYAN351)
No, I've never been a member of a union. I've taken the more enterprising path in life. Unions are a lazy man's way to get ahead. The whole mission of unions is to get workers more reward for less productivity, and to use threats or extortian to obtain their objectives.
So, you don't have to be a genius to see how unions create a culture of laziness and mediocrity by rewarding unproductive behavior.
If I have any BS ... ( 2 months ago by jbrentoniv)
If I have any BS rebuttles for you, its because youve got a lot of tired complaints: why do I have to pay taxes if I dont have children, I never call the police, I dont go to public parks, I dont plan to take social security...on and on and on. If you dont want to be American then get out. If you dont want to contribute then dont call yourself an American.
I said why should I ... ( 2 months ago by BRYAN351)
I said why should I pay THE SAME amount in property taxes as someone with 5 kids. I have no problem paying a tax if I get something in return, but a large portion of a property tax bill goes toward funding the public school system. (Have you ever owned property?)
If I have zero kids, then I get nothing for my money, understand? It's not my responsibility to raise other peoples' kids, and educating a kid is part of raising a kid.
Again, you wrote: " ... ( 2 months ago by jbrentoniv)
Again, you wrote: "Unions are a lazy man's way to get ahead. The whole mission of unions is to get workers more reward for less productivity, and to use threats or extortian to obtain their objectives."
Ok, just to recap...youre an "entreprneur" and you think workers who want a better life are lazy people who have no ambition, and you feel that you shouldnt have to support our society with your tax contributions. YOU are whats wrong with America. How selfish can you be?
No, your Uncles ... ( 2 months ago by jbrentoniv)
No, your Uncles gravy train ended. Your uncle was an abuser. How is that the Union's fault? If you think the Union defends people who ARE GUILTY of sleeping or drinking on the job you are wrong. Just so you know, you've been arguing with a Union Representative, not a shop steward, but a Business Rep. and I would never fight those things, and I dont know anybody that does. Get your facts straight. Your information is all heresay.
I do own property, ... ( 2 months ago by jbrentoniv)
I do own property, and I have two kids. Before I had kids and had my own plumbing business I paid $600 a WEEK in taxes when I lived in California , and I didnt see any benefits from it, or so I thought. Its a part of life. In reality, it is our job to raise other people's kids. Its called society. We all pay into the pot and when its our turn we collect, or at least thats the idea. But I get it, you are a self sufficient rock. ok.
God, Bryan you ... ( 2 months ago by jbrentoniv)
God, Bryan you really are naive. You wrote "There are plenty of fair labor laws that protect workers from evil employers..." See, that just goes to show that you know information, but you have no idea how things work. Do you think those laws enforce themselves? Do you think they are easy to enforce? To enforce these laws requires...lawyers! Courts! Time! Money! Hellloooooo! Not only that, there are third world countries that have more comprehensive labor laws than ours. Get a clue.
I wish Edwards ... ( 2 months ago by FatBird11)
I wish Edwards would've won the Democratic nomination.
It's my job to ... ( 2 months ago by BRYAN351)
It's my job to raise kids that aren't mine? Oh really? I thought that's what PARENTS are supposed to do. What ever happened to their responsibility??
If it's my responsibility to pay for the education of all children, then why stop there? Let's force everyone to pay for food, clothing, daycare, Flintstone vitamins, shoes, etc. Kids need many things to turn out right, so where does it end? You can take that same flawed justification for publi
c schools and apply it to anything.
Everybody wants a ... ( 2 months ago by BRYAN351)
Everybody wants a better life. Big deal. What matters is how you go about getting your better life. Thieves steal to obtain their better life. Get the picture? If people want to earn more money, then they should make themselves more capable of producing wealth, like getting an education, learning a valulable skill, getting a better job, starting a business, etc.
The answer isn't to remain the same stupid lazy bum you always were, and extort more pay from a company or else you'll strike.
Taxes aren't ... ( 2 months ago by BRYAN351)
Taxes aren't contributions. Contributions are voluntary. Taxes are seized from us at the point of a gun. Big fucking difference. And yes, I don't feel that I have to support, or subsidize, the irresponsible behavior of our society.
My philosophy is that if you can't afford to raise a kid (which includes educating that kid!) then don't make a baby. I'm 40 and have managed to stay child-free, so I know it's not hard to do. If you subsidize irresponsible behavior, you get more of it.
Wal Mart saves ... ( 2 months ago by rebmayab)
Wal Mart saves money by sending all of your groceries with chemicals together lose on a truck on the General Merchandise side only the groceries that come on that truck are marked down. They also stack heavy freight on top of the PS3 or computer you bought. Wal Mart is evil they only save you cents. I would rather spent an extra 2.00 on my shopping trip than give Wal Mart that extra 2.00. I worked for the corrupt giant and use your common "cents" and spend 2 cents extra for that dvd player.



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