well of course he wants to fight in Afghanistan. Thats where al Qaeda is (the group that attacked us).
Invading Iraq WAS ...( 1 month ago by hotFusionReaction)
Invading Iraq WAS NOT a bad thing to due. The invasion went smoothly and the people of Iraq were willing to listen to our ideas.
It was the mismanagement AFTER the invasion that has caused the insurgency and the deaths (both US and Iraqi) caused by it.
IF we had simply not gone in AS THOUGH WE OWNED the place, Iraq would be five years in RECOVERY (Post Saddam) and Iran would be VERY NERVOUS that their people might get an idea to overthrow the theocracy there.
Here! Here!
At ...( 1 month ago by hotFusionReaction)
Here! Here!
At least ONE person payed attention in class!
On the other hand, ...( 1 month ago by RogerOnTheRight)
On the other hand, discovering after-the-fact the WMD were not stockpiled does nothing to offset the fact he maintained the ability to produce WMD, and had a history of doing so.
Thus, Saddam indeed was a strategic threat.
Nobody wants to say it, but this war is basically over. All that screaming about civil war came to naught.
We have won, and only lost about 4,500 of our lives in doing so.
And, we have long term basing rights and an ally that can pretty much take care of itself now.
So RogerOnTheRight, ...( 1 month ago by abram730)
So RogerOnTheRight, you think it was worth the $10,000 debt for every man woman and child in America?
How about you pay my share. How about those that are for the war pay for it. The bill is 3 trillion, so put your money where your mouth is.
"strategic" threat to what strategy or goal? He was clearly no treat to Americans. Americans haven't won anything. We only lost lives and money. We won a huge debt.
America has WMD so any country can legally invade us, correct?
When was the last ...( 1 month ago by abram730)
When was the last time we went to "war"? That would be WWII.
Why you might ask.
Well there are laws against war profiteering, but if we are not at war then they don't apply.
See war is a racket. All the word play is to prevent prosecution.
Contractors have even intensionally killed troops and all without any repercussions. This goes way back. Look up Major General Smedley Darling Butler or read Confessions Of An Economic Hit Man.
You price yourself ...( 1 month ago by RogerOnTheRight)
You price yourself quite cheaply. I would have thought freedom worth a bit more than $10k. But, if that is your view, go ahead and give it up.
The strategic interest in the entire Middle East is oil, if you had not noticed. Without oil, there would be no al Qaeda, nor would there have been a Desert Storm back in 1990.
How quickly they forget.
Legally invade us? Was it "legal" for Saddam to invade Kuwait, the event that started this thing?
I'd have more ...( 1 month ago by abram730)
I'd have more freedom without the war so I'd hardly call it an exchange of money for freedom. I'd call it an exchange of money and freedom for nothing.
3 trillion is quite a subsidy for oil. How much per gallon would it be with that hidden cost added?
For that 3 trillion America could be carbon free now. We could of been on an electron economy. Billions not flowing to Middle Eastern Dictators.
As for 91 we did at least imply that we didn't care about the invasion.
An electron economy ...( 1 month ago by RogerOnTheRight)
An electron economy? That's quite a vision there. Perhaps you can get a copy of SimCity and just create it virtually.
Utopia never fares well in the face of reality.
Less then 5% of the ...( 1 month ago by abram730)
Less then 5% of the energy in gas is used to move the car. Far more efficient ways to move cars existed before gas as electric cars were first.
It may be hard for you to grasp complex ideas but that is no reason to condemn ideas just because they don't result in millions of deaths. Perhaps you like bananas? I hear simians do like them.
On the bright side people wouldn't be smart without people like you to compare themselves to. I for one would like to thank you for that Roger.
Once again, the ...( 1 month ago by RogerOnTheRight)
Once again, the Left demonstrates its vacuousness by resorting to personal invective.
At least you guys are consistent. And the pattern is simple:
1. Crank out mindless slogans. Catchy rhymes are preferred, since your audience prefers not to think.
2. Repeat incessantly, in the face of history and logic. Cling to the mantra.
3. When that fails, attack personally.
You must have received the People's Hero award somewhere along the line.
Oh, and please tell ...( 1 month ago by RogerOnTheRight)
Oh, and please tell us how wind power is so much more efficient than petroleum.
Feel free to use market examples to support your thesis.
Or perhaps solar panels for our automobiles. Now, there is a real winner!
RogerOnTheReich - " ...( 1 month ago by Kevin1354)
RogerOnTheReich - "solar panels for our automobiles" wow! you are really stupid!
oh, and that really ...( 1 month ago by sorealitty)
oh, and that really justifies going to war to steal the middle east's natural resources.
what you dont accept being done to you, you shouldnt accept it being done to others.
We did not go to ...( 1 month ago by RogerOnTheRight)
We did not go to war to "steal" anyone's oil. Iraq recently sold most of its current production to -- wait for it-- China and India.
So much for theft.
Well, Kevin, you ...( 1 month ago by RogerOnTheRight)
Well, Kevin, you are quite the wordsmith, aren't you?
Very impressive turn of phrase.
And, of course, it simply reaffirms the tendency of the Left to substitute personal invective for logic.
Keep up the fine work!
say that to someone ...( 1 month ago by sorealitty)
say that to someone who doesnt know the ins and outs of the iraqi economy after ur illegal colonialization ...
mean while u can keep on dreaming about how rightious u r , o' champion of democracy.. let the american lower and middle class pay for the war with there blood and tax paid money, and let the rich get richer and live the american dream on behalf of every body.
Actually, nearly ...( 1 month ago by RogerOnTheRight)
Actually, nearly 40% of all income taxes are paid by the top 1% of earners. It used to be lower, but the Bush "tax cuts for the rich" skewed the distribution ever higher.
I take it you do not favour democracy? Is totalitarianism your preferred form of government?
Given the sovereignty of the Iraqi government, and the recent acquiescence of Sunni and Shia militias to the Iraqi political system, nobody in their right might imagines this is anyone's "colony".
You need fresher mindless rhetoric.
BEST MUSIC EVER!!!! ...( 1 month ago by hbrtmran)
BEST MUSIC EVER!!!!!!!
They can be ...( 1 month ago by wreckerpecker)
They can be sovereign as long as they use dollars.
It's all about the money and the control of making it.
It's a big idea all in the process as you think.
Your comment is ...( 1 month ago by RogerOnTheRight)
Your comment is something of a non sequiter.
Iraq uses their Dinar, which has been relatively stable since 2003.
How about you pay my share. How about those that are for the war pay for it. The bill is 3 trillion, so put your money where your mouth is. "strategic" threat to what strategy or goal? He was clearly no treat to Americans. Americans haven't won anything. We only lost lives and money. We won
a huge debt. America has WMD so any country can legally invade us, correct?
Why you might ask.
Well there are laws against war profiteering, but if we are not at war then they don't apply.
See war is a racket. All the word play is to prevent prosecution. Contractors have even intensionally killed troops and all without any repercussions. This goes way back. Look up Major General Smedley Darling Butler or read Confessions Of An Economic Hit Man.
3 trillion is quite a subsidy for oil. How much per gallon would it be with that hidden cost added? For that 3 trillion America could be carbon free now. We could of been on an electron economy. Billions not flowing to Middle Eastern Dictators. As for 91 we did at least imply that we didn't
care about the invasion.
It may be hard for you to grasp complex ideas but that is no reason to condemn ideas just because they don't result in millions of deaths. Perhaps you like bananas? I hear simians do like them. On the bright side people wouldn't be smart without people like you to compare themselves to. I for
one would like to thank you for that Roger.
what you dont accept being done to you, you shouldnt accept it being done to others.
mean while u can keep on dreaming about how rightious u r , o' champion of democracy.. let the american lower and middle class pay for the war with there blood and tax paid money, and let the rich get richer and live the american dream on behalf of every body.